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Low turnover a “sign of a manager with no ideas”, says Moore

The head of Standard Life UK Equity Income Unconstrained says the frequency with which he buys and sells stocks in his own portfolio ensures his holdings do not outlive their usefulness.

By Thomas McMahon, Reporter, FE Trustnet Follow
Monday October 08, 2012


Low turnover in a fund can be a sign that the portfolio is stale and that the manager has few ideas, according to Standard Life's Thomas Moore.

ALT_TAG Managers who buy and hold for the long-term, making few changes to their portfolio, are usually regarded as having a high conviction in each stock. However, Moore (pictured right), who runs the Standard Life UK Equity Income Unconstrained fund, says investors should be wary of this perception, which can be a cover for a lack of imagination.

"I think one of the risks in a low-turnover portfolio is that it raises the question: how much is that fund manager thinking about each and every position every day and coming up with fresh ideas?" he commented.

Moore claims that managers of giant funds often have no choice but to have a low turnover.

"When funds get very big and their turnover is very low – which has come first?"

The manager admits his turnover is high, at around 70 per cent over the past three years, but says it shows he is constantly working to ensure the portfolio is not getting stale; he reviews his holdings weekly using Standard Life’s automated Matrix system.

The manager has grown his portfolio from £13m to £94.9m since he took over in January 2009, and in that time it has been the fourth-best performing UK Equity Income fund, with returns of 86.64 per cent.

Performance of fund vs sector since Jan 2009

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Source: FE Analytics

Moore has been looking into the mid cap space to come up with more original ways to find income, and has 59.2 per cent in the FTSE 250.

He claims that some of the larger funds in the UK Equity Income sector are locked into unwanted positions in many small or mid cap companies that they invested in when the fund was smaller and now find hard to exit – pushing their turnover down.

"You can see that some of the larger funds have tails of small and medium cap holdings which they cannot get rid of," he said.


Andy Parsons, head of research at The Share Centre, says that whether a turnover rate is an issue or not depends on the aims and style of the manager in question. 

"It is something that we look at and we do ask management about the portfolio turnover rate when we meet them," he commented.

"The answer they give is taken into account once we understand the investment approach and objectives of the manager."

"It’s certainly not the case that low turnover is always a bad sign – Warren Buffett is the world’s most successful investor and he is a buy-and-hold long-term investor with a low turnover. It can be a sign of conviction in themes and ideas."

Parsons says he looks for a disparity between a manager’s stated aims and strategies and his rate of buying and selling.

A change in turnover rate can also be a sign that something is wrong, he explains, as it can be an indication that a manager is no longer following his stated principles.

"If I see something that doesn’t fit with the declared strategy, it rings alarm bells and I want to know why," he said.

Although industry experts such as Parsons factor turnover rates into their assessments of funds, it is information that is not available to retail investors. Parsons says this may be for the best.

He commented: "It might create more questions for the average investor. I wouldn’t want to create more worries and more reticence to invest as they have enough already."

"I hear a lot of people talking about Alpha and Beta and I worry they don’t even understand this. We need people to become more educated in general about investments and then perhaps they might know what to do with information about turnover."

"In the long-run I think it is information that will be published on factsheets, but I’m not sure investors are able to understand what’s already published there."

Moore’s Standard Life UK Equity Income Unconstrained portfolio has a minimum investment of £1,000 and a total expense ratio (TER) of 1.91 per cent. It has a yield of 4.15 per cent.



 
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philip dodd Oct 09th, 2012 at 11:41 AM

I wasn`t aware that fund turnover contributed to the current calculation of a TER.

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Ian Hutchison Oct 08th, 2012 at 05:41 PM

High turnover in a fund can be a sign that the manager's getting too many free lunches from his broker chums.

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David West Oct 08th, 2012 at 04:16 PM

In May 2011 I bought £2,000 worth of units in this fund. As of last Friday it was showing a LOSS of 2.54%.
In contrast, Invesco Perpetual Income fund increased by 4.75% between 5/10/2010 and 5/10/2011. Between 5/10/11 and 5/10/12 it increased by 17.49%. I rest my case!!
I appreciate I may not be comparing like with like exactly but I rather think that before Mr Moore starts saying that buying and holding shows a lack of ideas, he should have performed with at least a percentage INCREASE of some sort over the last 18 months. If his fund has increased in the amount it has invested since 2009 by as much as you say, this presumably is not just down to performance alone but punters like me buying more units. Having read his article I now wish I had not bought his fund.

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wwjd_andy Oct 08th, 2012 at 04:11 PM


The performance graph for Stan Life Inv UK Equity Income Unconstrained makes this fund look like it relies on Beta alone for growth. Coupled with one TN crown, this is advice to ignore and a fund to avoid in my opinion.

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Harry Katz Oct 08th, 2012 at 04:05 PM

Or alternatively a manager with high turnover just has no conviction.

I'll bet this guy is under 40 and has forgotten, (if he ever knew) the real purpose of investment. I guess his trading costs must be sky high, but that’s OK because it doesn’t appear in the TER and punters are none the wiser.

I suppose he thinks that Warren Buffet has been clueless over the last 40 years too.

What a Wally! He should put his brain in gear before he makes these ill-considered pronouncements. Anyway thank you – I now have an additional positive reason to avoid any fund managed by him.

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George Kirrin Oct 08th, 2012 at 01:36 PM

I do not necessarily agree.

Low turnover could also be a sign of a manager who buys wiselj, holds wisely (because reinvestment opportunities are not as compelling yet) and sells wisely.

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Theo Oct 08th, 2012 at 12:43 PM

It was very amusing to read More's comments. For me, high turnover is the unmistakeable sign of a manager who is blindly jumping from one share to another desperately searching for one that will change his luck.

The proof of the pudding is in Moore's results. Very high TER, 3 yrs of under performance in the last 5, trailing the sector over 5 years and only weak over performance over 3 yrs with one TN crown in the end.

I hope Moore will write again here, we need a little amusement now and then.

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Roddi Oct 08th, 2012 at 12:58 PM

You might want to do a little reseach Theo, and then you'll see Moore didn't take over until Jan 2009. Since then, the fund is one of the top performers in the sector. A very lazy criticism, and one I'm bored of reading time and time again.

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Theo Oct 08th, 2012 at 04:30 PM

Roddi, You do not have to read what I write.

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Philip Brown Oct 08th, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Good returns from this fund, but usually you should avoid managers with an excess of testosterone.

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John Clark Oct 08th, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Could it be that Mr Moore's fund high TER of 1.91% has something to do with his high turnover?

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